tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post1292001773702034992..comments2024-03-05T05:23:14.033-05:00Comments on Teen Mania Watch: Live-Blogging the MSNBC "Mind Over Mania" DocumentaryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-7371082938461715402024-02-14T11:26:31.553-05:002024-02-14T11:26:31.553-05:00Transform your living space with B.Remodeling Cont...Transform your living space with B.Remodeling Contractor, Lancaster's premier home remodeling experts. From kitchen remodels to bathroom upgrades, basement finishing, flooring installations, and more, we specialize in revitalizing homes with expertise and elegance. Our commitment to quality craftsmanship and customer satisfaction ensures that your renovation dreams become reality. 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We look forward to serving you!<br />Anatomy Chiropractichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03283699371619765034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-32271858241304937412014-01-12T16:46:02.264-05:002014-01-12T16:46:02.264-05:00Nobody who has any understanding of Christianity.Nobody who has any understanding of Christianity.jdcastrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10467133486537235027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-76380514817427569282014-01-12T16:45:02.788-05:002014-01-12T16:45:02.788-05:00Yes, it's all works-based "righteousness&...Yes, it's all works-based "righteousness" that won't get anyone an inch closer to eternal life.jdcastrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10467133486537235027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-84533443765100916452014-01-12T16:40:57.518-05:002014-01-12T16:40:57.518-05:00Sounds like you're rather a boot-licker. Wher...Sounds like you're rather a boot-licker. Where is Teen Mania in the New Testament?jdcastrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10467133486537235027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-4938058896516790102011-11-26T17:07:25.382-05:002011-11-26T17:07:25.382-05:00I don't feel like connecting this post with an...I don't feel like connecting this post with any of my other accounts anywhere (WordPress nor Google, don't remember if I have accounts elsewhere). I watched this show this morning and I was utterly disgusted by this cult that is pretending to be a place for teens to "stretch" themselves. What Teen Mania, and other places such as Teen Mania, really are is brainwashing camps to break the will of kids. Even if I had a teen that was horrible, I would never think of punishing them by sending them to a horrible cult such as this. Children should be allowed, in their own way, to either accept or reject God and Christ - it's not the place of any adult nor any other child to coerce other children into believing in something. The only thing we must teach our children are things like don't kill, don't steal, don't abuse others, and a few other essential things. We need to encourage children to use their brains and think for themselves - critical thinking folks. We also need to ensure our children have a solid foundation of the basics from the educational system such as reading, writing, math, history, etc. We do not need to indoctrinate children into any warped, off the wall, cult beliefs. As adults, if they so choose, then they can join cults. Most religions (especially these off the wall weird non-Christianlike cults such as Teen Mania - they're offshoots from the IBF which is not in any way connected to the real Baptist Church) have become twisted into cults of some kind. There is only one true religion - Christianity - that Christians should be following - and that is Jesus' word - not some made up crap from idiots who espouse beating kids is great and that if you don't beat your kids you don't love them (that's total BS) and not some made up crap from jerks like those who run Teen Mania and all of the other brainwashing camps for teens and younger children. Please, we need to let our children be children and not brainwash them into believing some religious cult off the wall ideals. I WAS TOTALLY DISGUSTED BY THIS TEEN MANIA CRAP AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTERVENE AND SHUT DOWN ALL OF THESE CULTS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-88087209716441367542011-11-24T15:36:19.604-05:002011-11-24T15:36:19.604-05:00Steve Lumbley posted an excellent teaching on the ...Steve Lumbley posted an excellent teaching on the heresies of Teen Mania- check out his podcast of 11-11-2011 "Works of Righteousness"<br /><br />http://apostasywatch.com/isabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979793389403829153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-89050778979795884592011-11-17T18:17:57.151-05:002011-11-17T18:17:57.151-05:00They use high tech cult tatics. The LOUD "Chr...They use high tech cult tatics. The LOUD "Christian Rock" is one. It stimulates them sexually,(it doesn't matter what the words are) and it doesn't allow them to think for themselves. After being exposed to it over a period of time it becomes less effective so they turn it up even LOUDER for the ones that have been there longer. I know what I'm talking about. I was forced to look into how the "OPERATE" because of the damage they did to my son. They are predators and our precious youth are the prey. Ultimately they want to groom them so eventually they can get there hands on their money. There are web sites that tell their "members" how their money should be managed. And tithing is stressed over and over. They prey on the most vulnerable. The ones who have little or nc parental guidence. They tell these kids that they have "spiritual gifts" and proceed to tell them what they should be doing for Jesus when it's their own interests they are really concerned with. Kids, GET OUT NOW! They are using you to pad their pockets with the money you will eventually be earning. They are business men. The business is spiritual RAPE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-37844675426475680502011-11-12T15:42:35.230-05:002011-11-12T15:42:35.230-05:00They took control of my teenaged son for seven yea...They took control of my teenaged son for seven years. The outcome was not good. These business men church planters are brain washing these kids,they are solicited, manipulated and explotated. I'd like to sue the sons a bitches for hurting my son. They hide behind laws that protect their evil selfs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-7144103906914629932011-11-11T22:40:41.566-05:002011-11-11T22:40:41.566-05:00I attended ATF several times, and this is the prob...I attended ATF several times, and this is the problem I have. The services are very emotionally hyped. It's all about who can scream the loudest, jump the highest, and make the biggest commitment to Jesus. The teachings were all about how we weren't passionate enough for Christ, how we were failing God as a generation, etc. We were told if we didn't shout loud enough, it meant we didnt' love Jesus. It was all a giant guilt trip. Instead of returning from the event feeling encouraged and nurtured, I returned feeling exhausted and anxious. <br /><br />Unfortunately, the hype didn't stay at ATF. My youth pastor returned from the event and tried to recreate it in our youth services. We put up colored stage lights, got some hard-rocking Christian music, and had the youth band playing all the latest contemporary songs. If enough youth didn't raise their hands in worship or jump up and down, we got lectured. Every sermon was about how we should win our schools for Christ or get rid of junk in our lives. Not saying such sermons weren't needed once in a while, but every Wednesday? Where was the discipleship? Where were the teachings on compassion and integrity? All the love, encouragement and fellowship seemed to have vanished. As a result, several of the core members fell away. <br /><br />I personally struggled the most during this time. I was dealing with a chronic sin, but my youth pastor's response to that was simply to watch me like a hawk. There was accountability, but no mentorship. And that's what I really needed. Finally after enduring one guilt-ridden service after another, having my emotions continually yanked back and forth, God spoke to me in a quiet voice and told me to get off the roller coaster and JUST FOLLOW HIM. I did, and I finally got free. I no longer have any patience for engineered emotional experiences. God is not in that.<br /><br />It's fine if a ministry wants to employ physical challenges as a way to have fun or build confidence. But it's not biblical to advertise such challenges as a way to get closer to God or learn to rely on him. Jesus didn't ask his disciples to run obstacle courses to test their faith. Challenges came on their own when they simply followed him. Jesus guaranteed that we would have trials and face persecution from the world. We don't have to manufacture them and then tell those who fail that they lack faith. <br /><br />Also, to compare the media's "persecution" of TM to the persecution Jesus spoke of is disingenuous. Jesus was persecuted, but no one could find any real fault with him or his ministry because he was ABOVE REPROACH. Is TM above reproach? If it has spiritually abused interns through dubious teachings, then it is not. Pointing out the flaws of an organization and its teachings is not persecution, nor is it the devil's work. These are real concerns that need to be addressed for the good of the ministry.Aprilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12176254886383532172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-61774187233202886462011-11-10T20:45:23.039-05:002011-11-10T20:45:23.039-05:00I don't agree with a lot of TM's financial...I don't agree with a lot of TM's financial dealings, false advertising for the HA, and the interns working conditions, and as far as Ron Luce is concerned, I think he is a crook. However, I've known people who have gone through the HA, and ESOAL, and I have seen and read a lot of first hand accounts and I have got to say that if you needed therapy after what I would consider mild hardship, then you must be a very weak, sheltered person. I mean, Cmon,,, crying and going on and on about how bad it was is a spit in the face to people who actually have had to go through real hard times. If it is so bad,, stand up for yourself and quit! y'all need to get on with your lives, chalk this up to a learning experience, and learn to get through tough times without needing therapy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-7748708257208163142011-11-10T18:26:19.928-05:002011-11-10T18:26:19.928-05:00I was an intern at teen mania and also went to the...I was an intern at teen mania and also went to the aquire the fire events as well. Teen Mania and Ron Luce do have a heart for young people. This documentary was bogus and it is very clear that the people in this documentary are weak individuals. ESOAL was an awesome event and it is designed to make you a stronger individual. Once it was over they did not condemn anyone for ringing out (which I did) they lifted you up and encouraged you. This is the problem with society people are weak minded and don't want to fight for anything. Such a shame!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-59581519583478557652011-11-10T17:18:07.319-05:002011-11-10T17:18:07.319-05:00This whole idea that we should "work for God&...This whole idea that we should "work for God's" love" is ridiculous. Wake up people, call it God, Buddah, the Misah or whatever you please, it is all the same. "I am that I am",sound familar? Get out of your ignorant ego people and wake up! God's love comes from within, it is not something you can gain in the external. I feel sorry for those who seek external things to fill their inner void. Teen Mania is exactly what MSNBC portrayed it to be, spiritual abuse and brainwashing. Those poor ignorant kids...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-69857282577383872282011-11-08T23:04:02.177-05:002011-11-08T23:04:02.177-05:00I am so disappointed by a number of the posts here...I am so disappointed by a number of the posts here. This entire situations is disappointing, actually. It's sad that these "Christian" young women who had a bad experience with Teen Mania felt the need to go to the media about it. It's disappointing that so many Christians who had GOOD experiences with Teen Mania are condemning these women or dismissing their experiences. And it's absolutely disgusting that MSNBC did not have enough journalistic integrity to make sure their story was just and fair and relatively neutral. It's just as bad as HLN - it's not news, it's gossip TV! <br /><br />For perspective: McDonald's. *smiles*<br />McDonald's is a multi-million dollar corporation. They have locations all over the world. There are hundreds of millions of people who love McDonald's, eat there every day, think the food is fantastic, etc. But there are also hundreds of people who hate McDonald's, have had horrible experiences there, think the food is disgusting, thinks no one should eat there ever and even want the toys taken out of Happy Meals as to discourage parents from buying the food for their kids. <br /><br />Point: Everyone views things differently. Everyone experiences things differently. My experience with Teen Mania was awesome. I went on a two week mission trip with them to inner city Dallas. I got to work with a great group of girls. I was a team leader. We led Vacation Bible Schools for kids who otherwise may not have had the opportunity to experience the love of God. I was going through my own very serious problems during this time. And the leaders that I worked with were compassionate, understanding and helpful and I experienced a level of healing in it. <br /><br />I'm not saying these girls were right or wrong in how they viewed their experiences. I am saying they were wrong in going to the media. I am saying MSNBC was wrong for airing something that is so blatantly biased. And I'm also saying that many people who are speaking out against MSNBC and the women who shared their experiences are wrong in how they are reacting.Faith Through Flames (1 Pet. 1:6-7)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08953472095919494644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-52680224648140095122011-11-08T22:39:20.783-05:002011-11-08T22:39:20.783-05:00Just for the record, as a current intern at the Ho...Just for the record, as a current intern at the Honor Academy when the documentary aired:<br /><br />We watched the whole thing, uncut, from beginning to end, as a ministry. Everyone. Staff, undergraduates, graduate interns, management associates.. Everyone. Dave Hasz came up afterwards with very clear distress in his voice and began to pray for the girls in the video. He recognizes that they are really and truly hurting. He says that he has personally many times made efforts to reconnect, mend relationships, and learn from these experiences. The HA has learned from past experiences at ESOAL - that's why it is different now. That's why we had the PEARL this year. <br /><br />Dave Hasz and leadership at the Honor Academy have certainly made efforts to reach out to those who they clearly recognize are hurting girls. They asked us repeatedly to not be bitter towards them, malign them, or do anything negative towards them - only asked us to pray fervantly that God would heal their hurts and draw them closer to Himself. Unfortunately, at least one of those girls has personally asked HA leadership to never contact her again.<br /><br />Dave Hasz, Ron Luce, Randy Olsson, Heath Stoner, and other management team members went on to answer any question asked of them by the entire ministry and opened themselves up to make appointments with any intern or GI who wanted to ask more about anything brought up in the documentary. Mr. Hasz, Mr. Luce and everyone else have nothing to hide.<br /><br />(On the PEARL, by the way: I went through it and completed it and never had one person scream anything at me or say anything remotely derogatory. At one point, early in the morning my clothes were wet and I was shivering so badly that Doug Neal approached me very kindly and gently and said that because he had sympathy for my shivering, he asked me to do sit ups until I was warmer. He said it not to shame me or make me work harder, but to help me. And it did help! I was exhorted and challenged to push my limits, but to make wise decisions as to continue or not. I learned so much from the PEARL and found it to be an extremely positive and even fun experience, though physically, emotionally, and relationally challenging.)<br /><br />Also, addressing the $18 million that Teen Mania made in revenue: I don't recall which year the documentary stated that that figure was from, but in the last fiscal year Teen Mania made $15 million dollars in revenue. They also spent MORE THAN THEY EARNED this past year to put on Acquire the Fire events, send thousands of teenagers on mission trips with Global Expeditions, and to operate the campus here at the Honor Academy. Dave Hasz pointed out that (not only is that a problem that the Finance department is working on to make sure Teen Mania is actually able to continue running) they are actively pouring out MORE than they take in in order to do ministry all around the world.<br /><br />Anyone have any questions for a current intern who has actual experience on campus, as opposed to those who don't?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-64722408317521746482011-11-08T22:13:52.151-05:002011-11-08T22:13:52.151-05:00yall are a bunch of negative scared little childre...yall are a bunch of negative scared little children. this coming generation has to be warriors to face people like you guys and the media. are they are doing is trying to train God's people to trust Him in EVERY SINGLE aspect of their lives and rely on God for all 5 senses. Everythuing those girl's talked about that "scarred" them was optional. which means they didnt have to do it. so stop trying to put God's Kingdom down and find something else to do with your day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-86231687467585087522011-11-08T16:55:39.206-05:002011-11-08T16:55:39.206-05:00If Teen Mania is "brainwashing" people.....If Teen Mania is "brainwashing" people... then what do you call it when kids watch hours of television and listen to degrading music and are desensitized to murder, rape, violence, vulgarity, etc? Kids are being brainwashed every single day by the society we live in.<br /><br />90% of people who go through Teen Mania have a positive experience and grow closer to God because of it.<br /><br />100% of kids who are exposed to our society grow up damaged and hurt.<br /><br />You should be up in arms about the lack of moral fiber of our country, not Teen Mania.<br /><br />- Jeremy, 22 years oldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-21141379294740813402011-11-08T13:59:59.337-05:002011-11-08T13:59:59.337-05:00I myself almost went to the Honor Academy....depos...I myself almost went to the Honor Academy....deposit sent and everything and it never worked out. I don't know if that was a blessing or a curse. I can see there is a lot of hurt and anger on both sides of this but I think that the important thing to remember that those of us still calling ourselves "Christians" need to conduct ourselves like Christ would. That's it, simple but important to remember. Even if you are a Christian standing against the HA have compassion on these kids who wrong or not believe what they are doing is for Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-77243078641194114412011-11-08T10:22:04.250-05:002011-11-08T10:22:04.250-05:00"Get over it"? I'm sure that's w..."Get over it"? I'm sure that's what a severely injured person would like to hear when they try to tell an ER doctor what's wrong. <br /><br />It's heart-breaking to see how many people defend the HA by saying "It's only a few people who say this, and they had problems to begin with." Since when is that a Christ-like response? What happened to "a bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out"? What happened to the Shepherd who will forsake the 99 sheep who are doing well to seek out the one who was lost? Or the idea that Christ came to help not those who are well, but those who are sick? <br /><br />Even if it were true that the dissenters were a tiny percentage and were having trouble before the HA (not true, but let's assume for the argument's sake), then they should have been helped and cared for, not browbeaten by the strong. If this is the HA's fruit, I smell something rotten.Joihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757013732505715189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-46308692552052124682011-11-08T08:18:53.172-05:002011-11-08T08:18:53.172-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FGoAWW0BIgQAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-18554095447034884602011-11-08T08:04:30.912-05:002011-11-08T08:04:30.912-05:00What journalists need more than a true story is an...What journalists need more than a true story is an interesting one. As an alumnus of HA I can say there is a lot of fabricated info here. It is true that some have bad experiences there. I know of at least 50 other alumni from my year who still think back fondly to their time at HA. I know of 2 people from my year who had bad experiences. One of which I know is because she was struggling with belief in God to begin with. Keep in mind that the first week of HA they offer you a chance to go home honorably without making commitment to it. As for ESOAL, not only is the event 100% voluntary, but anyone is allowed to "ring out" and go home whenever they want. Some may be encouraged to stay if the leaders feel they are trying to leave for the wrong reasons, but no one is ever stopped. Speaking from experience, I know how kind and encouraging they are the moment you do. I did learned a lot from ESOAL, and it was indeed one of the most challenging experiences I have ever endured.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-35503208547273634272011-11-08T03:01:52.892-05:002011-11-08T03:01:52.892-05:00I was an intern in '01. It was a great experie...I was an intern in '01. It was a great experience for me, despite any run-ins I had with other people on campus. There were a few staffers I didn't really like that much, but come on! For real, get over it. Some people take themselves way too seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-15240797679298263502011-11-08T02:39:10.061-05:002011-11-08T02:39:10.061-05:00The thing that really pushes me farthest away from...The thing that really pushes me farthest away from supporting the RA's side of all this is the vindictiveness of their responses. My heart breaks for those that were hurt but if you cant handle someone opposing your views maybe you shouldn't post them on a public forum. My time at the Honor Academy was one of the best years of my whole life, i still keep in close contact with my friends from there, and i learned way more from my ministry placement than i did from the classes because i was given a place to put my faith and the things i learned into action. Also, the use of profanity, picking on grammer, and caps lock does not mean you have a better argument. Love is what will win in all of this.Eric Claassennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-91722373243811800042011-11-07T23:20:29.960-05:002011-11-07T23:20:29.960-05:00YOU GUYS ARE FUCKED IN THE HEAD!YOU GUYS ARE FUCKED IN THE HEAD!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8422182193534503223.post-60345957200489717012011-11-07T22:45:07.178-05:002011-11-07T22:45:07.178-05:00There are 2 sides to every story. There has clear...There are 2 sides to every story. There has clearly been some hurt caused to these ladies but I can GUARANTEE you it was not intentional nor from the leaders of this organization. I actually chose a lifestyle different than one TM advocates and I was responded to with love time and time again from both Ron and Dave. So hearing this hateful documentary to me is bogus. I would love to be interviewed... this is just sad, but it will end good. REad the book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com